Future Chi
A daoist and a designer explore design, technology, health and wellbeing, and the future of everything. Join Jost Sauer (author, rebel therapist, daoist and expert in traditional Chinese medicine) and Leon Fitzpatrick (industrial and experience designer, educator and futurist), as they discuss health, daoism, design, cars, martial arts, the search for purpose, and the meaning of life. Unplanned, off the cuff, and spontaneous. Welcome to the Future Chi podcast! For more about Jost: https://jostsauer.com/ For more about Leon: https://www.futurethingy.com/
Episodes

Monday Jan 23, 2023
Episode 8: Inertia
Monday Jan 23, 2023
Monday Jan 23, 2023
We live in strange times. This episode dives into the recent 'one-size-fits all' approach to health and the effects this has had on society in recent years. But where did it come from? How has theory come to override practice? How did the scientific process become an ideology that doesn't like to be challenged? How do we overcome the inertia of an existing system that doesn't want to learn something new? Theory vs. doing face off in the latest episode of Future Chi!
Jost looks at the absurdity of prescriptive health through the lens of his expertise and talks about how supplements, sleep, Chinese herbs, and a daily practice are critically important to 'feel ourselves forward' instead of waiting to be told what to do. Leon talks about the importance of editing, sticking to your principles, and what Machiavelli and dinosaurs have in common.
Jost and Leon also talk about about how to achieve mastery through tedious groundwork, which organ is the most important when it comes to advancing and retreating, and how to balance inertia and expansion.
For more about Jost: https://jostsauer.com/
For more about Leon: https://www.futurethingy.com/

Tuesday Jan 17, 2023
Episode 7: Fakes
Tuesday Jan 17, 2023
Tuesday Jan 17, 2023
What is real? How do we discern between that which is fake and that which is authentic? The nature of reality and the reality of nature are on the table for discussion this week. Humans are the only species that have a conflict between fake and real, and in this episode Jost and Leon discuss '3 Shen' and how we must tap back into our adaptive intelligence and our ability to advance and retreat. Learn what Sigmund Freud, crocodiles and Ferraris have in common, how race cars evolved in line with the laws of nature, and how our purpose here on earth is to become real. Jost talks about the importance of the daily practice and how to navigate through the age of deception, and Leon gives bad advice on how to spot a fake Porsche.
For more about Jost: https://jostsauer.com/
For more about Leon: https://www.futurethingy.com/

Monday Jan 09, 2023
Episode 6: Force
Monday Jan 09, 2023
Monday Jan 09, 2023
There is force around us and force within us, but what is force and where does it come from? How do we harness the power of cycles to create a better, truly sustainable world? How does the cyclical process of alchemy play a role in both industrial design and daoism?
In this episode Jost and Leon delve deep into the nature of force and cycles - cycles of creation and destruction, cycles of design and manufacturing, and the cycle of energy that circulates throughout the body every 24 hours; the chi cycle. In traditional Chinese medicine, if force doesn't flow, stagnation arises and ill health follows. Jost discusses the implications of this and where it's headed, and Leon reflects on how this impacts the creative process and how it leads to bad design. They also explore the antidotes to consumerism, the reciprocal dynamic between designer and consumer, the role desire plays in the creation of emotional, spiritual, and physical landfill, and how to discern between that which is glitter and that which is gold.
For more about Jost: https://jostsauer.com/
For more about Leon: https://www.futurethingy.com/

Monday Jan 02, 2023
Episode 5: Trust
Monday Jan 02, 2023
Monday Jan 02, 2023
What's the point of a map if you don't know where you are? How do we define ourselves and build our foundations if we don't have a reference point? How do we establish ourselves in the new reality that's emerging? Jost and Leon follow up on last week's episode and talk about how to develop trust; trust in the process, trust in the laws of nature, and how to go about trusting one another. They also explore the pitfalls of art produced by artificial intelligence, the perils of design thinking and over-confidence in academic knowledge, and how shortcuts and instant gratification move us away from the true spirit of creation. Leon talks about how to unleash infinite possibilities from a blank sheet of paper, and Jost explains how connecting to what we feel - not what we think - is the only way forward.
For more about Jost: https://jostsauer.com/
For more about Leon: https://www.futurethingy.com/

Monday Dec 26, 2022
Episode 4: 2012
Monday Dec 26, 2022
Monday Dec 26, 2022
How will the world end? Did it end already? Did we enter a new dimension and not notice? Our awareness, our consciousness and the way we interact changed forever in 2012. On this episode Jost and Leon unpack the end of the world as we know it and reveal the culprit (hint, you're looking at it right now). But you can't have an ending without a beginning. This new dimension, new world, and new reality requires a different way of doing things; new structures, new attitudes, and a new way of designing. Jost talks about how to check your own internal feed and how to embrace the new, and Leon reveals how he may have been a little bit responsible for the end of the world, and the role design played in it.
For more about Jost: https://jostsauer.com/
For more about Leon: https://www.futurethingy.com/

Monday Dec 19, 2022
Episode 3: Tension
Monday Dec 19, 2022
Monday Dec 19, 2022
Why do we get disappointed and what does this mean for our purpose and journey in life? How do we know what ideas are worth pursuing and who we should work with? Jost and Leon discuss the importance of tension and resistance when it comes to pursuing your vision, what Bruce Lee, Picasso, and Muhammad Ali have in common, and why you need a fiery heart to create the new.

Monday Dec 12, 2022
Episode 2: Energy
Monday Dec 12, 2022
Monday Dec 12, 2022
What's the difference between energy, power, and chi? How do we define them? Where does energy come from, and where does it go? Jost and Leon discuss invisible types of energy (chi), visible types of energy (embodied energy that exists within physical objects), and the link between tension and energy.

Wednesday Dec 07, 2022
Episode 1: Beauty
Wednesday Dec 07, 2022
Wednesday Dec 07, 2022
What is beauty? How do you define 'perfect' design? How do we appreciate the little things in life while perceiving the whole? Jost and Leon talk about eagles, BMWs, and the link between the dao and design.

Jost Sauer
Jost is a healthy lifestyle expert. He is an author, acupuncturist, and has been a therapist since the 80s.
Jost Sauer was also an ex-addict, dealer and deserter who kickstarted a recovery revolution with his groundbreaking rehab program. Jost pioneered lifestyle medicine for addiction and then adapted this for everyone as the Chi Cycle lifestyle; a health-boosting, fat-burning feel-good day plan.
Jost has treated tens of thousands of people including celebrities, CEOs and athletes, with his Chi Cycle Health System, and offers training and retreats. His passion is to show everyone how to make every day medicinal and magical…

Leon Fitzpatrick
Leon is an industrial, interaction, and experience designer, futurist, illustrator, storyteller, and educator. Leon operates Futurethingy - a design consultancy and change agency that envisions future states - such as products, transportation, cities, and systems - through design and narrative. This future is ethical, sustainable, and optimistic.
Leon studied industrial design at the College for Creative Studies in Detroit. At Motorola Inc. in Chicago he designed products and concepts, produced videos, and was an eco-design lead. At design consultancy MINIMAL Leon designed products and concepts, produced videos, and art directed for clients such as Microsoft, Xbox, Nike, and Dell. Leon has extensive international experience as an independent consultant, working with the US automotive industry for several years on rapid prototyping, empirical research and vision projects for electric and autonomous vehicles, and the future of mobility.